Orion Browser by Kagi

“both iOS and MacOS browsers (Safari and Orion tested) now accept one (for MacOS, 27.0.1) or three (for iOS, 27.0.1) of them”

“Crucially and recently forcing link preview on in an update shows that their way of thinking misaligns mine.”

“After seeing basically zero effort at addressing very fundamental bugs in that support in that year, I switched back.”

“I was running into so many issues browsing websites. Performance issues, issues with certain interactive controls.”

“It comes with adblocking out of the box, and is a reliable way to watch YouTube ad free on iOS.”

“I tried to live on the desktop browser, however, and eventually had to declare it unusable and switch back to Firefox.”

“I don't understand the reasoning behind Kagi developing a browser. Such a small team would gain more from partnering”

“An infinite-loop counter in Orion.app shouldn't cause my entire machine to freeze, down to being unable to force quit.”

“Orion's implementation just silently kills your extension threads when the memory manager wants the space then never restarts them.”

“I've been using Orion for the last 6 years and checking Safari every month, cant say Safari ever felt faster than Orion.”

“There are just too many features that Safari supports perfectly, that Orion either doesn't support at all, or has flakey support for.”

“a lot of people enjoy running their favorite extensions, even on iOS, which is truly unique to Orion”

“I have switched from Firefox to Orion on my iPhone a year ago (potentially more?) and had a great experience.”

“I really wish there was a way to support their amazing product without a cent going the way of the Russian government.”

“The best feature is being able to use Firefox extensions and thus uBlock Origin and sponsorblock on iOS.”

“Does it mean I can finally do tests for Safari (webkit) without owning an Apple product or paying for a vm? Incredible.”

“I've been using Orion with Kagi for search. Every once in a while I hit a site that won't work on Orion”

“I tried installed Untrap YouTube into Orion on my phone and using that as a makeshift YouTube app”

“Content blocking is a feature, not a loophole, and we think users should have full control over what runs in their browser.”

“It runs on WebKit, is really light on battery usage, doesn't come bundled with crypto stuff or AI agents”

“their browser is essentially nonfunctional for daily use but they've already moved on to porting it to Linux”

“Ad-blocking and chrome/firefox extensions from the beginning, convenient vertical tabs, mature level of ui customization.”

“Love to see it. I've been a paying Kagi member for three years (!), and for now I trust them more than Google…”

“keeping Orion proprietary makes the most sense for being able to successfully charge for it as a commercial product”

“What people certainly do not want to see is Kagi pull an Apple…”

“We believe software and hardware creators have a right to choose their business model and let that model compete”

“Make it so the purchase of orion comes with the binaries and a copy of the source code, or provide it on request.”

“A closed source wrapper around a web view? I have to advise that no one install, never mind use, this closed source, proprietary blob.”

“the open source option is almost always my choice, especially for something as important as a browser”

“It's a shame this isn't open source, since Linux users are disproportionately likely to scratch their own itches.”

“it’s barely functional. I’m sure it’ll get there eventually but it misses a ton of stuff the desktop version blocks.”

“If data sharing is a bug, and not fundamentally disallowed by the architecture, then it’s going to happen again later.”

“To trade that away for closed source on the promise of another company who was only able to build a browser because of an open…”

“Unless it meaningfully closes the loop on not sending data to fingerprint with, I'm not sure "zero telemetry" is really a selling point at all”

“I love using sponsorblock and several other add-ons from both Mazzella in chrome in Orion on my phone”

“The fact that there is Orion+ is enough to warrant no need to have tracking or 'enshittification”

“It may not phone home now, but it can do it tomorrow, or it can in be enabled and immediately disabled in some minor releases.”

“Orion doesn't have any telemetry, doesn't force any updates on you, doesn't require any account.”

“while Orion remains closed source there's no chance of it ever being more than a curiosity for me”

“I daily drive Orion as even though Kagi is for profit, they have managed to keep trash out of their free version.”