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iDEAL

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Ranked 7 of 12 payment systems by recommenders

Bank-based Dutch online payment that is fast, simple and accepted almost everywhere in the Netherlands. Main caveat: no chargebacks, so refunds are hard if a merchant fails.

Bank-based Dutch online payment that is fast, simple and accepted almost everywhere in the Netherlands. Main caveat: no chargebacks, so refunds are hard if a merchant fails.

45 people gave an opinion

recommend it
30
criticize it
15
approval share
67%
Each figure is one person. RecommendsCriticizes

Recommended in 7 of 13 months

  1. November 2025: not recommended
  2. December 2025: not recommended
  3. January 2026: recommended
  4. February 2026: recommended
  5. March 2026: recommended
  6. April 2026: recommended
  7. May 2026: recommended
  8. June 2026: recommended
  9. July 2026: recommended
  10. August 2026: not recommended
  11. September 2026: not recommended
  12. October 2026: not recommended
  13. November 2026: not recommended (month in progress)

Owned for 2 years

Median of the 4 owners who said how long they have had it.

Each square is one year.

Why it carries the badge

  • 30 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, met.
  • 2 recommenders for every criticNeeds 2 to 1 or better, met.
  • Recommended in 7 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, met.

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What people say about it

The reasons people give, with the number of comments that give each one. Open a reason to read what they said.

Why people recommend it

Each mark is one comment

  • Simple, fast, convenient checkout

    “It is stupid simple, and once you've used it you don't want to deal with credit cards and bank transfers for buying a thing on-line any more.”

    Comment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

    “iDeal is really nice, much nicer to use than credit cards or PayPal imo”

    Comment from 17 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

    “iDeal is superb and the most convenient payment method I've dealt with.”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”
  • Accepted by nearly every Dutch shop

    “iDeal is an enormous success in the Netherlands so if banks implement it as well in other countries then it will definitely be competitive with credit cards”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

    “iDEAL is simply much smoother and even many Shopify/Stripe shops offer it as a payment option nowadays”

    Comment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

    “iDEAL usage is near universal for online payments”

    Comment from 8 May 2026 in “Brazil's Pix Payment System Faces Pressure from Visa and Mastercard”
  • Better than PayPal or cards

    “the Dutch iDeal system, which in my opinion is the gold standard of how internet payment should work”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

    “The whole system is really nice and smooth and definitely much nicer than PayPal in many ways.”

    Comment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

    “iDeal is really nice, much nicer to use than credit cards or PayPal imo”

    Comment from 17 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”
  • Bank-backed, name check reduces scams

    “I have been using iDeal for many years now and have yet to see any of the downsides of it being a product of a commercial bank.”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

    “Additionally it allows for things like name to account checking, therefore making it less likely you will be scammed.”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

What people warn about

Each mark is one comment

  • No chargebacks or buyer protection

    “It works very good and user-friendly, but iDeal had a disadvantage: chargebacks aren't possible.”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

    “iDeal is perfect for online shopping, but once the money is gone there is no way to get it back”

    Comment from 11 Feb 2026 in “Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun”

    “Once the merchant has your money it's very difficult to get it back if things go wrong.”

    Comment from 15 Jul 2026 in “Stripe, Advent offer to buy PayPal for more than $53B”
  • Limited outside the Netherlands

    “Which makes it somewhat less than iDeal for anyone who isn't Dutch.”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

    “Using iDEAL from a Polish account just isn't going to happen.”

    Comment from 21 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”
  • Poor fraud handling

    “iDeal is terrible for fraud. Consumers have to file a police report.”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

    “Indeed, it's terrible for fraud”

    Comment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”
  • Needs a phone or app

    “This seems to be mobile-centric system that essentially requires a cell phone, and probably one blessed by Google or Apple.”

    Comment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

    “With Wero/iDeal you always need a phone or a code.”

    Comment from 15 Jul 2026 in “Stripe, Advent offer to buy PayPal for more than $53B”

Other payment systems people recommend

The four most recommended other payment systems, with the same counts for each, so you can compare like for like. The tick on each bar marks the 2 to 1 line the badge needs.

iDEAL compared with 4 alternatives
ProductRecommendCriticizeApprovalMonthsOwnedBadge
Pix651482%11—Approved
UPI (Unified Payments Interface)581283%11—Approved
GNU Taler372659%12——
x40235881%9—Approved
iDEALThis page301567%72 yrs4 ownersApproved
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What people said

40 of the 58 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.

“Virtually every Dutch web shop supports iDEAL”

RecommendsComment from 27 Jul 2026 in “Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website”

“it's always fast and convenient”

MixedComment from 27 Jul 2026 in “Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website”

“iDeal is amazing and it's great it's coming to the rest of Europe”

RecommendsComment from 27 Jul 2026 in “Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website”

“IDeal always worked in a browser”

RecommendsComment from 26 Jul 2026 in “Lidl Introduces the European Payment Method Wero in Germany”

“It worked very simple on any device”

RecommendsComment from 26 Jul 2026 in “Lidl Introduces the European Payment Method Wero in Germany”

“Once the merchant has your money it's very difficult to get it back if things go wrong.”

MixedComment from 15 Jul 2026 in “Stripe, Advent offer to buy PayPal for more than $53B”

“With Wero/iDeal you always need a phone or a code.”

CriticizesComment from 15 Jul 2026 in “Stripe, Advent offer to buy PayPal for more than $53B”

“Good luck getting your money back with iDEAL”

CriticizesComment from 23 Jun 2026 in “Digital euro clears key hurdle as EU seeks to break free from U.S. credit cards”

“the Dutch iDeal was probably the better name”

RecommendsComment from 26 May 2026 in “Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier”

“Using iDEAL from a Polish account just isn't going to happen.”

CriticizesComment from 21 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“You can't do that with an iDeal transaction.”

CriticizesComment from 21 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“iDeal is superb and the most convenient payment method I've dealt with.”

RecommendsComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“Which makes it somewhat less than iDeal for anyone who isn't Dutch.”

CriticizesComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“You cannot do a chargeback on iDeal”

MixedComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“Additionally it allows for things like name to account checking, therefore making it less likely you will be scammed.”

RecommendsComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“I have been using iDeal for many years now and have yet to see any of the downsides of it being a product of a commercial bank.”

RecommendsComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“It works very good and user-friendly, but iDeal had a disadvantage: chargebacks aren't possible.”

MixedComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“Indeed, it's terrible for fraud”

CriticizesComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“iDeal is terrible for fraud. Consumers have to file a police report.”

CriticizesComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“iDeal sounds like a confession you sell drugs”

MixedComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“while iDEAL is pretty good, PIX is easier to understand, explain, and deal with.”

RecommendsComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“I think any dutchie can vouch that iDeal has been amazing”

RecommendsComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“which has been hugely successful”

RecommendsComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“the Dutch iDeal system, which in my opinion is the gold standard of how internet payment should work”

RecommendsComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“iDeal is an enormous success in the Netherlands so if banks implement it as well in other countries then it will definitely be competitive with credit cards”

RecommendsComment from 20 May 2026 in “Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment”

“iDEAL usage is near universal for online payments”

RecommendsComment from 8 May 2026 in “Brazil's Pix Payment System Faces Pressure from Visa and Mastercard”

“Ideal which (in contrast) also works with a browser + card reader + pin code”

RecommendsComment from 16 Apr 2026 in “EU Age Verification Solution”

“I use iDEAL through my bank app and it works great”

RecommendsComment from 2 Mar 2026 in “Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS Foundation”

“that worked fine without any apps”

RecommendsComment from 17 Feb 2026 in “GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple”

“iDeal is really nice, much nicer to use than credit cards or PayPal imo”

RecommendsComment from 17 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

“But instant online iDEAL payments etc. work fine.”

RecommendsComment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

“In general iDEAL is simple, secure and convenient.”

RecommendsComment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

“iDEAL is the far lower friction option here”

RecommendsComment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

“iDEAL is simply much smoother and even many Shopify/Stripe shops offer it as a payment option nowadays”

RecommendsComment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

“This seems to be mobile-centric system that essentially requires a cell phone, and probably one blessed by Google or Apple.”

CriticizesComment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

“The whole system is really nice and smooth and definitely much nicer than PayPal in many ways.”

RecommendsComment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

“It is stupid simple, and once you've used it you don't want to deal with credit cards and bank transfers for buying a thing on-line any more.”

RecommendsComment from 16 Feb 2026 in “Wero – Digital payment wallet, Made in Europe”

“iDeal is perfect for online shopping, but once the money is gone there is no way to get it back”

MixedComment from 11 Feb 2026 in “Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun”

“already works for a lot of global payments”

RecommendsComment from 11 Feb 2026 in “Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun”

“sadly offers no consumer protection at all”

MixedComment from 10 Jan 2026 in “Ask HN: What's your preferred digital payment method?”

Counts come from 1,795,640 Hacker News comments, November 2025 to November 2026. How we count. Report a mistake.