Telegram

“I don't like Telegram and don't think it should be considered a "secure messenger" in the sense end-to-end encrypted messengers are”

“Telegram gives you a lot more practical security regarding what information to share with other users”

“one of the precious few cross-platform messengers that doesn't treat desktop users as second class”

“they focus very heavily on creating a polished product, and are somewhat arrogant about all of that”

“the fact they released him a few days later with no charge annihilated the little shred of trust I had in this Russian piece of software”

“Telegram lets you delete every message in any PM conversation, including incoming ones, for both people.”

“The phone dialer is just inconvenient, while the above-mentioned chat apps have all the contacts listed and easy to access.”

“how much more stuff Telegram clients manage to do/load in the time it takes WhatsApp to load one screen”

“For a lot of stuff it doesn't really matter whether it's E2EE though. I use it for bots that transfer information that isn't secret and for large public channels”

“investigations that Telegram has not been able to dispute have revealed that Telegram's infrastructure is managed by a person is also managing infra for FSB”

“In Telegram, I can open a chat, find a sticker, send a sticker, post a circle story, and shitpost in another group chat.”

“just attack the telegram from the technical standpoint, then no complains about "racist towards russians" will be given”

“Those chats are pretty obviously not as secure, as basically anybody can join them and decrypt the chat.”

“If you’re ok with abandoning all security and privacy, then Telegram has some nice extra features that can come in handy.”

“Telegram has nothing to do with Russia, other than having a Russian founder, and the Ukrainian military has literally relied upon it in the past”

“misleading claims about Telegram's encryption and comparisons to Signal. In reality, for the vast majority of chats they have plaintext, unlike Signal.”

“I have 10-ish telegram bots running for myself, I just use telegram as UI for a script running on backend”

“Telegram's strategy to deal with violent extremist groups on its platform is to not ban them but just make it hard to discover.”

“Their API is such a breeze and it is so much more automation friendly than any other messenger platform.”

“Telegram just doesn't care. All their differentiating features (large groups, channels, device sync) is directly enabled by the lack of encryption.”

“it's really unfortunate that telegram doesn't do e2ee, bc it's hands down the best messenger otherwise”

“they still haven't rolled encryption out further (not even to desktop clients, much less expanding/switching the protocol for, say, group chats)”

“I'd probably have my bot completely implemented in telegram the same time I figured out what an app is in discord”

“Telegram has the best programmatic integration. Trivial to get working. You can be up and running in minutes.”

“It seems obvious that if you ARE in a major war, you wouldn't want your main social media and messaging app to be under the control of somebody”

“settled on a building a thin transport layer for Telegram to accept and return media, and persistent channels, vastly improved messaging UX”

“their home rolled encryption is problematic in and of itself, but the fact that it lacks E2EE means you shouldn't even trust it”

“Telegram lets group admins choose whether members can see history from before they join, which is the perfect solution”

“it's not expensive at all (2€ per month) and secondly it offers so many fun and useful features”

“Good UI and fun features make something worth using, it's why telegram is still my most used messenger.”

“In some shady corners of the internet I still see advertisements for child porn through Telegram, so they must be doing a shit job at it”

“You can't enable 1:1 secret chat from your desktop client. The secret chat doesn't appear on desktop when you enable it on your phone.”

“Even scammers aren't trying their luck over RCS in any way significant compared to Telegram, WhatsApp, or even iMessage.”

“The idea of using Telegram as a way to have a global, quick, and personal interface from my phone or tablet, is perfect and easy to set up.”

“I don’t need an exact copy of Telegram, but something with a similar amount of care put into it”

“Telegram does this, using a homemade encryption protocol that has no clear-text SNI like HTTPS”

“infested with scammers and all kinds of shady types, but at least the client itself doesn't suck”

“If you trust Telegram to not allow MitM access to their servers and if the non-standard encryption they choose is secure”

“there exist enough inconsistencies about Durov's/Telegram's relationship with the government of Russia”

“In Telegram, for some features, it just says "please open this message on your smartphone", and that's fine.”