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Qwen 3.8 Flash Next

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Ranked 10 of 39 open-weight language models by recommenders

An open-weight model that runs fast on consumer GPUs and Macs, with coding ability some call near frontier models; it overthinks by default and degrades at low quantization.

An open-weight model that runs fast on consumer GPUs and Macs, with coding ability some call near frontier models; it overthinks by default and degrades at low quantization.

180 people gave an opinion

recommend it
147
criticize it
33
approval share
82%
Each figure is 2 people. RecommendsCriticizes

Recommended in 5 of 13 months

  1. November 2025: not recommended
  2. December 2025: not recommended
  3. January 2026: not recommended
  4. February 2026: not recommended
  5. March 2026: not recommended
  6. April 2026: not recommended
  7. May 2026: not recommended
  8. June 2026: not recommended
  9. July 2026: recommended
  10. August 2026: recommended
  11. September 2026: recommended
  12. October 2026: recommended
  13. November 2026: recommended (month in progress)

Why it carries the badge

  • 147 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, met.
  • 4.5 recommenders for every criticNeeds 2 to 1 or better, met.
  • Recommended in 5 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, met.

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What people say about it

The reasons people give, with the number of comments that give each one. Open a reason to read what they said.

Why people recommend it

Each mark is one comment

  • Runs locally on consumer hardware

    “Setup was easier than I expected. I had it running locally in under 20 minutes, and the speed on my RTX 5070 is genuinely impressive.”

    Comment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

    “you could use Qwen Flash Next at some reasonable quant, with the new SSD hack for only keeping some of the model resident in memory”

    Comment from 24 Sep 2026 in “Best LLM for every budget, updated daily”

    “qwen3.8 flash next is currently running on 10gb 3080 + 64 gb ddr5 ram at respectable 40-70t/s with 1200pp at max context”

    Comment from 19 Oct 2026 in “DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 (Max)”
  • Fast token generation

    “I've tried it but so far I have not seen anything that overly impressed me in terms of accuracy, though the speed is definitely there.”

    Comment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

    “Setup was easier than I expected. I had it running locally in under 20 minutes, and the speed on my RTX 5070 is genuinely impressive.”

    Comment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

    “qwen3.8 flash next is currently running on 10gb 3080 + 64 gb ddr5 ram at respectable 40-70t/s with 1200pp at max context”

    Comment from 19 Oct 2026 in “DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 (Max)”
  • Strong coding, close to Opus

    “In my private C coding benchmark, Strata's Qwen Flash Next Coder IQ1_M beats Luna low and runs at 125 tok/s on my 5090”

    Comment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

    “For example on programming, terminal tasks, troubleshooting etc Qwen3.8-Flash-Next is almost as good as opus 4.8.”

    Comment from 24 Oct 2026 in “Kimi K3.1 Pro and K3.1 Pro Highspeed”

    “but it produces syntax correct and grammatically correct code comments, changelogs and readme type files”

    Comment from 30 Aug 2026 in “Hy4 preview”
  • Beats smaller models for size

    “Now you can run a nerfed 125B parameter model on under $800 of hardware, and it beats a less-nerfed 27b model.”

    Comment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

    “Models like Qwen 27B 3.8 and Flash Next 3.8 show there is a lot of room to pack more into less parameters.”

    Comment from 19 Oct 2026 in “MiniMax M3.1 Flash”

    “This is game changing. My R9700 32GB is now smarter and about 2x faster than using Qwen-3.8-27B.”

    Comment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

What people warn about

Each mark is one comment

  • Overthinks, set effort to medium

    “Known issue with this model, I recommend setting thinking to 'medium' instead of default 'xhigh'.”

    Comment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

    “Qwen3.8 FN is deeply convinced that it's going to get extra credit for doing more than it is asked.”

    Comment from 26 Oct 2026 in “Concerning behavior from a popular open-weight AI model”

    “Overall I'm impressed with it, but setting the /effort to medium is what you usually want”

    Comment from 26 Aug 2026 in “Qwen3.8-Flash-Next”
  • Degrades at low quantization

    “it generated so many more bugs, and when the quantization is lower the reasoning traces get longer”

    Comment from 1 Nov 2026 in “Memdoor: A team of 5 Qwen3.8-27B models beats Fable 5 on LiveCodeBench Hard”

    “I'm getting mixed results using the IQ3_XXS quant which supposedly matches baseline, it feels significantly degraded.”

    Comment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”
  • Only moderately intelligent

    “I've tried it but so far I have not seen anything that overly impressed me in terms of accuracy, though the speed is definitely there.”

    Comment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

    “Their "next" variants are usually undercooked, but useful for the community to verify support for inference stacks.”

    Comment from 25 Aug 2026 in “Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)”

    “it's just moderately intelligent - if you observe the CoT while reversing, you'll find that struggles”

    Comment from 30 Sep 2026 in “GLM-5.3 and the spread of advanced cyber capabilities”

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What people said

40 of the 301 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.

“it generated so many more bugs, and when the quantization is lower the reasoning traces get longer”

MixedComment from 1 Nov 2026 in “Memdoor: A team of 5 Qwen3.8-27B models beats Fable 5 on LiveCodeBench Hard”

“The modern Qwen and DeepSeek models are like someone who is merely smart, but who has an alarmingly good work ethic.”

RecommendsComment from 30 Oct 2026 in “Artificial Analysis v5 and the benchmarker's dilemma”

“I have smart coding at this very second, and I am running it on 128GB of ddr4 with a 16GB gpu.”

RecommendsComment from 30 Oct 2026 in “We're releasing the weights of Mistral Large 4”

“Qwen3.8 FN is deeply convinced that it's going to get extra credit for doing more than it is asked.”

CriticizesComment from 26 Oct 2026 in “Concerning behavior from a popular open-weight AI model”

“I've been running Qwen 3.8 Flash Next on Strix Halo with halogen-flash-server which is a pretty good experience”

RecommendsComment from 25 Oct 2026 in “Five Qwen3.8-27B models match Fable 5 Using GVS5H Harness”

“For example on programming, terminal tasks, troubleshooting etc Qwen3.8-Flash-Next is almost as good as opus 4.8.”

RecommendsComment from 24 Oct 2026 in “Kimi K3.1 Pro and K3.1 Pro Highspeed”

“Models like Qwen 27B 3.8 and Flash Next 3.8 show there is a lot of room to pack more into less parameters.”

RecommendsComment from 19 Oct 2026 in “MiniMax M3.1 Flash”

“qwen3.8 flash next is currently running on 10gb 3080 + 64 gb ddr5 ram at respectable 40-70t/s with 1200pp at max context”

RecommendsComment from 19 Oct 2026 in “DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 (Max)”

“Someone actually ran the benchmark on Qwen 3.8 Flash Next NVFP4, which is a chat model and submitted it via PR.”

RecommendsComment from 9 Oct 2026 in “Show HN: Jevman – AI decision models play Pac-Man”

“first time a model i can run myself at good speed can do real programming and is almost as good as opus”

RecommendsComment from 9 Oct 2026 in “Why isn't the industry freaking out about DeepSeek 4.1 Flash?”

“Qwen3.8-flash-next is an impressive evolution; it reaches the small versions of the frontier models”

MixedComment from 8 Oct 2026 in “Why isn't the industry freaking out about DeepSeek 4.1 Flash?”

“Its token gen is slightly faster than readable. You can follow along and leave it alone based on its thinking traces.”

RecommendsComment from 8 Oct 2026 in “I'm not paying $20 for ChatGPT or Claude because a free local LLM does”

“it is quite a bit more efficient with the number of tokens used so on longer runs it often comes out ahead in terms of wall clock time”

RecommendsComment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“I think you should try. RTX 3090 with 64GB DDR4 worked surprisingly well with lots of headroom”

RecommendsComment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“I'm running 3.8-flash-next in the largest unsloth Q8 version on a 256GB system for daily use”

RecommendsComment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“the Q4 is just plain not as good”

CriticizesComment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“Setup was easier than I expected. I had it running locally in under 20 minutes, and the speed on my RTX 5070 is genuinely impressive.”

RecommendsComment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“Known issue with this model, I recommend setting thinking to 'medium' instead of default 'xhigh'.”

MixedComment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“This is game changing. My R9700 32GB is now smarter and about 2x faster than using Qwen-3.8-27B.”

RecommendsComment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“In my private C coding benchmark, Strata's Qwen Flash Next Coder IQ1_M beats Luna low and runs at 125 tok/s on my 5090”

RecommendsComment from 5 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“QFN not only seemed less delusional but also made useful observations and problem solved ways around many different website access issues.”

RecommendsComment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“Yet with some tweaking and optimizing I still manage to get strata to run at 40 to 60 t/s.”

RecommendsComment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“I've tried it but so far I have not seen anything that overly impressed me in terms of accuracy, though the speed is definitely there.”

MixedComment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“I'm getting mixed results using the IQ3_XXS quant which supposedly matches baseline, it feels significantly degraded.”

CriticizesComment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“Now you can run a nerfed 125B parameter model on under $800 of hardware, and it beats a less-nerfed 27b model.”

MixedComment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“It is more useful than Qwen3.8:27b (which is already quite good) and runs faster on my 7900 XTX”

RecommendsComment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“Nvidia's NVFP4 quantisation of Flash Next and offloading the ngram table to NVMe has worked well”

RecommendsComment from 1 Oct 2026 in “Pi 1.0”

“Deepseek flash / Qwen flash next et al only need ~12-24 gb of VRAM for the active experts”

MixedComment from 30 Sep 2026 in “Memory Companies Have Destroyed the Consumer Market”

“it's just moderately intelligent - if you observe the CoT while reversing, you'll find that struggles”

MixedComment from 30 Sep 2026 in “GLM-5.3 and the spread of advanced cyber capabilities”

“Qwen Flash Next 3.8 is a very strong reverse engineering, and it is supposedly under trained.”

RecommendsComment from 29 Sep 2026 in “GLM-5.3 and the spread of advanced cyber capabilities”

“you could use Qwen Flash Next at some reasonable quant, with the new SSD hack for only keeping some of the model resident in memory”

RecommendsComment from 24 Sep 2026 in “Best LLM for every budget, updated daily”

“Flash Next outperforms every other model that is available to us on the GB10 in all of my testing”

RecommendsComment from 21 Sep 2026 in “MiMo v2.6”

“Paying for external inference for a much larger model like qwen 3.8-flash-next Q8 with full context makes a lot more sense”

RecommendsComment from 4 Sep 2026 in “Qwen 3.8 27B available on Cerebras at 1500 tokens/s”

“but it produces syntax correct and grammatically correct code comments, changelogs and readme type files”

RecommendsComment from 30 Aug 2026 in “Hy4 preview”

“The largest unsloth published gguf also fits and runs just fine on a cpu-only machine with 128GB RAM”

RecommendsComment from 27 Aug 2026 in “Qwen3.8-Flash-Next”

“it does seem to be a rather insane over-thinker with the biggest token use of any model”

MixedComment from 27 Aug 2026 in “Qwen3.8-Flash-Next Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis”

“The new Qwen model is the most promising for one or two Strix Halo 128GB with the low number of active parameters.”

RecommendsComment from 26 Aug 2026 in “GLM-5.3-Flash”

“Overall I'm impressed with it, but setting the /effort to medium is what you usually want”

MixedComment from 26 Aug 2026 in “Qwen3.8-Flash-Next”

“Those benchmarks look seriously impressive.. considering how small of a MoE model this is.”

RecommendsComment from 26 Aug 2026 in “Qwen3.8-Flash-Next”

“Their "next" variants are usually undercooked, but useful for the community to verify support for inference stacks.”

CriticizesComment from 25 Aug 2026 in “Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)”

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