Pion by Andon Labs

“you now have a huge single point of failure for your entire organization”

“Incredibly expensive! They must be using frontier models to perform really dumb tasks.”

“There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business.”

“It won't work autonomously yet.”

“All of the "Real-world" demos they have are deeply unprofitable”

“Unsurprising when it can't even keep track of 2 employees.”

“I’m starting to understand the torment nexus mentions…”

“Your bot you call a 'manager' can't actually do anything.”

“Their chat bot can't even do any sort of real functions other than look up orders or add you to a waitlist”

“Just another close-source no-detail so-called agent, not impressed”

“If it worked, it would be more profitable for them to use it than to sell it.”

“Today Andon is releasing Pion, an agent designed to run any company fully autonomously.”

“It can create more shit than humans could ever consume I'm sure, but then why?”

“from there it just keeps building better and better skill sets”

“A competent marketer can make good use of it”

“everyone who's actually gone to one of their AI-run businesses ends up seeming really unimpressed”

“if I'm the only one who can approve or unstick one of these bots, it just keeps harassing me until it gets done”

“I really appreciate the transparency here”

“I didn't see anything interesting in Pion that was public on this website”

“I wouldn't recommend using it to start a business that has expenses (rent+salaries) of tens of thousands per month.”

“I dont think this will take off. Sales will be always human to human (i think).”

“this company does nothing except prompt frontier models and act as if they are discovering or inventing capabilities”

“Their demo stores are literally losing money”

“We're excited to run many more businesses, and through them, contribute significantly more insights on frontier model capabilities.”

“the announcement post… also seems quite skeptical of the idea, and devotes a lot of text to the ridiculous things their AI’s have done.”

“It is pretty funny launch when your longest-term example is losing about $3 for every $1 of revenue.”

“It is an important datapoint when deciding where we do/don’t want AI in society and what level of progress we find acceptable.”

“Isn't it kind of hard to lose money running a vending machine in a good location?”

“They filed a false report to the FBI, pretty fair to be negative imo.”

“I don't think it can do what it claims to do.”

“it's just a bunch of the usual slop about how awesome your automated human-exploitation system is”

“It details a bunch of failed real-world experiments and invites the reader to run their own real-world experiment with their own money?”

“Why would anyone trust this with a real business?”

“forked after benchmarking revealed that it was too slow”

“WebRTC is great and so is Pion, thanks for help making and maintaining it!”

“pion is an excellent product today”

“everything else open source in the ecosystem, like pion, coturn, stunner, are too immature.”

“WebRTC voice and data over LiveKit or Pion to have conversations.”

“You have done such an amazing job on this, it's been such a joy watching you improve SCTP.”

“Pion ended up being a place where I found something to do and was given the time and tools to make something cool”