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Ornith

Shares rank 19 of 39 open-weight language models by recommenders

Local models that people find fast and useful for coding, often ahead of earlier Qwen releases. Critics say coding results are uneven and benchmark claims are unproven.

Local models that people find fast and useful for coding, often ahead of earlier Qwen releases. Critics say coding results are uneven and benchmark claims are unproven.

56 people gave an opinion

recommend it
37
criticize it
19
approval share
66%
Each figure is one person. RecommendsCriticizes

Recommended in 5 of 13 months

  1. November 2025: not recommended
  2. December 2025: not recommended
  3. January 2026: not recommended
  4. February 2026: not recommended
  5. March 2026: not recommended
  6. April 2026: not recommended
  7. May 2026: not recommended
  8. June 2026: recommended
  9. July 2026: recommended
  10. August 2026: recommended
  11. September 2026: recommended
  12. October 2026: recommended
  13. November 2026: not recommended (month in progress)

Why it doesn’t carry the badge

  • 37 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, met.
  • 1.9 recommenders for every criticNeeds 2 to 1 or better, not met.
  • Recommended in 5 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, met.

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What people say about it

The reasons people give, with the number of comments that give each one. Open a reason to read what they said.

Why people recommend it

Each mark is one comment

  • Good at coding tasks

    “Based on my limited usage, it is good, gives creative solutions to coding problems.”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

    “which has performed slightly better and faster at Python, db and some backend tasks”

    Comment from 3 Aug 2026 in “Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork”

    “it's usable for real coding and sys admin work, and works great in opencode.”

    Comment from 15 Oct 2026 in “OpenCode 2.0”
  • Beats earlier Qwen models

    “it's definitely better than Qwen3.6 35b-a3b which was my go-to before”

    Comment from 28 Aug 2026 in “Run Qwen3.8 27B locally: real numbers from my Mac Studio”

    “I found Ornith1.5 to be a better MoE model for me, also very fast”

    Comment from 18 Sep 2026 in “Bonsai 2 27B: Near-Lossless Compression in a 9x Smaller Footprint”

    “It's been a pretty decent step up for me compared to Qwen3.6”

    Comment from 25 Aug 2026 in “Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)”
  • Fast on local hardware

    “playing with ornith-35B with a draft vibethinker-3b as a draft gave me some good speed/results”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”

    “I found Ornith1.5 to be a better MoE model for me, also very fast”

    Comment from 18 Sep 2026 in “Bonsai 2 27B: Near-Lossless Compression in a 9x Smaller Footprint”

    “much faster on my hardware but better responses”

    Comment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”
  • Useful for everyday tasks

    “it's pretty nice to just let it work away at simpler prompts overnight or during lunch break”

    Comment from 29 Aug 2026 in “Run Qwen3.8 27B locally: real numbers from my Mac Studio”

    “Ornith 1.0 had problems with world knowledge”

    Comment from 29 Aug 2026 in “Run Qwen3.8 27B locally: real numbers from my Mac Studio”

    “so far its really impressive for my needs”

    Comment from 20 Aug 2026 in “Ornith-1.5: From Self-Scaffolding to Self-Improvement”

What people warn about

Each mark is one comment

  • Struggles on some coding tasks

    “it reached its limits totally botching a longer (simple) kernel implementation job”

    Comment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

    “It got rather tangled up when I tried it with one of my coding tests”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”

    “the Qwen-based 35b MoE Ornith version performs worse than Qwen 3.6 and Qwen AgentWorld on my benchmarks”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”
  • Benchmark claims questioned

    “they just put graphs with different color prioritizing themselves”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

    “These are simply benchmaxxed versions of either Qwen or Gemma 4.”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

    “there are no benchmarks or weights for it anywhere”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”
  • Loops and hallucinates in tool calls

    “Long session tool calls sucks and hallucinate a lot with that too.”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

    “seems to get in the loop often specially with tool calls.”

    Comment from 2 Sep 2026 in “My local model setup on an M4 Pro Mac Mini”
  • Worse than Qwen 3.6 in tests

    “the Qwen-based 35b MoE Ornith version performs worse than Qwen 3.6 and Qwen AgentWorld on my benchmarks”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”

    “it performed worse than Qwen3.6-27b in my basic test”

    Comment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

Other open-weight language models people recommend

The four most recommended other open-weight language models, with the same counts for each, so you can compare like for like. The tick on each bar marks the 2 to 1 line the badge needs.

Ornith compared with 4 alternatives
ProductRecommendCriticizeApprovalMonthsOwnedBadge
Qwen 3.8 27B1,17342673%132 mo32 ownersApproved
Z.ai GLM1,04338473%132 mo52 ownersApproved
Kimi93135972%131 mo26 ownersApproved
Gemma 471324974%131 mo14 ownersApproved
OrnithThis page371966%5——
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What people said

40 of the 67 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.

“it's usable for real coding and sys admin work, and works great in opencode.”

RecommendsComment from 15 Oct 2026 in “OpenCode 2.0”

“I run these two Qwen model variations successfully.”

RecommendsComment from 7 Oct 2026 in “Anthropic Subscriptions Offer 5x+ More Value Than OpenAI”

“much faster on my hardware but better responses”

RecommendsComment from 4 Oct 2026 in “Run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (125B) on consumer hardware (RTX 4090) at 100T/s”

“an overall stronger model on the same architecture, so a drop-in replacement”

RecommendsComment from 23 Sep 2026 in “GPT-6 Sol and Luna”

“I found Ornith1.5 to be a better MoE model for me, also very fast”

MixedComment from 18 Sep 2026 in “Bonsai 2 27B: Near-Lossless Compression in a 9x Smaller Footprint”

“Depending on which benchmarks you believe, these models (and the Ornith 1.5 finetune of Qwen 35B-A3B) are competitive at about Opus 4.5 to 4.7 level.”

RecommendsComment from 11 Sep 2026 in “Nine coding harnesses vs. your laptop”

“seems to get in the loop often specially with tool calls.”

CriticizesComment from 2 Sep 2026 in “My local model setup on an M4 Pro Mac Mini”

“it's pretty nice to just let it work away at simpler prompts overnight or during lunch break”

RecommendsComment from 29 Aug 2026 in “Run Qwen3.8 27B locally: real numbers from my Mac Studio”

“It's now my go-to model for quick inquiries.”

RecommendsComment from 29 Aug 2026 in “Run Qwen3.8 27B locally: real numbers from my Mac Studio”

“Ornith 1.0 had problems with world knowledge”

CriticizesComment from 29 Aug 2026 in “Run Qwen3.8 27B locally: real numbers from my Mac Studio”

“I didn’t get very good results coding in Python, Racket, and TypeScript.”

CriticizesComment from 28 Aug 2026 in “Run Qwen3.8 27B locally: real numbers from my Mac Studio”

“it's definitely better than Qwen3.6 35b-a3b which was my go-to before”

RecommendsComment from 28 Aug 2026 in “Run Qwen3.8 27B locally: real numbers from my Mac Studio”

“It's been a pretty decent step up for me compared to Qwen3.6”

RecommendsComment from 25 Aug 2026 in “Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)”

“so far its really impressive for my needs”

RecommendsComment from 20 Aug 2026 in “Ornith-1.5: From Self-Scaffolding to Self-Improvement”

“it's been very promising using 32k context”

RecommendsComment from 19 Aug 2026 in “Ornith-1.5: From Self-Scaffolding to Self-Improvement”

“Quick tests suggest it's pretty good at reasoning and tool use”

MixedComment from 19 Aug 2026 in “Ornith-1.5: From Self-Scaffolding to Self-Improvement”

“it has been on par with Qwen3.8 27B at a much higher speed and at a higher quant”

RecommendsComment from 19 Aug 2026 in “Ornith-1.5: From Self-Scaffolding to Self-Improvement”

“With the right assistance from Qwen3.5/Ornith I was able to achieve some amazing results”

RecommendsComment from 3 Aug 2026 in “MiniMax H3 Day-0 Support in ComfyUI: Open Weights, Native Audio, and 2K Video”

“which has performed slightly better and faster at Python, db and some backend tasks”

RecommendsComment from 3 Aug 2026 in “Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork”

“excels in coding, at least for my coding needs”

RecommendsComment from 3 Aug 2026 in “Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork”

“the subtlety and nuance it showed in its response was very surprising to me”

RecommendsComment from 26 Jul 2026 in “Claude Code Cut Their System Prompt by 80%. Does That Work for Small Models Too?”

“I've tested extensively with local models such as qwen3.6:27b and ornith:35b, and the results are satisfactory.”

RecommendsComment from 19 Jul 2026 in “Show HN: Chalie – AI peer not employee”

“it was still outperforming a previous generalist model I had running locally”

RecommendsComment from 14 Jul 2026 in “Bonsai 27B (1-bit LLM): The First 27B-Class Model to Run on a Phone”

“The models didn't live up to the claims they made.”

CriticizesComment from 6 Jul 2026 in “Right to Local Intelligence”

“it reached its limits totally botching a longer (simple) kernel implementation job”

MixedComment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“This one actually felt useful.”

RecommendsComment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“the model is way faster than Qwen3.6 35B”

RecommendsComment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“the Qwen-based 35b MoE Ornith version performs worse than Qwen 3.6 and Qwen AgentWorld on my benchmarks”

CriticizesComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”

“it performed worse than Qwen3.6-27b in my basic test”

CriticizesComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“they just put graphs with different color prioritizing themselves”

CriticizesComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“Long session tool calls sucks and hallucinate a lot with that too.”

CriticizesComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“there are no benchmarks or weights for it anywhere”

CriticizesComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“Based on my limited usage, it is good, gives creative solutions to coding problems.”

RecommendsComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“These are simply benchmaxxed versions of either Qwen or Gemma 4.”

CriticizesComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding”

“It is also available with Ollama now and I am equally impressed too.”

RecommendsComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”

“playing with ornith-35B with a draft vibethinker-3b as a draft gave me some good speed/results”

RecommendsComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”

“It got rather tangled up when I tried it with one of my coding tests”

MixedComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”

“In my brief tests, Ornith 35B performed quite well.”

RecommendsComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: Self-Scaffolding LLMs for Agentic Coding”

“my own silly tests either suggest otherwise or suggest that I have to talk to it a bit differently”

MixedComment from 29 Jun 2026 in “Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development”

“It performs poorly with only read/grep/ls tools, but in a follow-up test with a full shell and Python, it doubled its findings”

MixedComment from 28 Jun 2026 in “Ornith-1.0: Self-Scaffolding LLMs for Agentic Coding”

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