Max by Cycling '74
The most recommended of 4 visual programming environments
Fun, deep visual programming environment for music and audio that works like a real programming language. Critics note it is closed and not built for live coding.
Fun, deep visual programming environment for music and audio that works like a real programming language. Critics note it is closed and not built for live coding.
33 people gave an opinion
- recommend it
- 15
- criticize it
- 18
- approval share
- 45%
Recommended in 8 of 13 months
- November 2025: recommended
- December 2025: recommended
- January 2026: recommended
- February 2026: recommended
- March 2026: recommended
- April 2026: recommended
- May 2026: not recommended
- June 2026: recommended
- July 2026: not recommended
- August 2026: recommended
- September 2026: not recommended
- October 2026: not recommended
- November 2026: not recommended (month in progress)
Why it doesn’t carry the badge
- 15 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, met.
- 0.8 recommenders for every criticNeeds 2 to 1 or better, not met.
- Recommended in 8 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, met.
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What people say about it
The reasons people give, with the number of comments that give each one. Open a reason to read what they said.
Why people recommend it
Each mark is one comment
Works as a real programming language
“Max is basically a programming language already: message passing, scheduling, state, abstraction, even metaprogramming”
Comment from 23 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music” “Max goes a lot deeper than wiring some GUI boxes together.”
Comment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK” “shockingly capable as an actual programming language too”
Comment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music” Scriptable from external editors and code
“If you want to schedule tasks in Max accurately with code, you can either use Max, C extensions, or my extension.”
Comment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK” “Claude + Max was 1 `max search hubspot --filter` command piped to sort | uniq -c”
Comment from 6 Mar 2026 in “Show HN: Max – a federated data query layer for AI agents (and humans)” “Which is freaking awesome, because I can script all of Max from my vim buffers.”
Comment from 5 Feb 2026 in “Why S7 Scheme?” Rewarding and fun to learn
“when I bothered to learn it was one of the most rewarding uses of time and I find it really quite fun to work in”
Comment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK” “until someone walked me through how it really worked”
Comment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music” Lets you build custom plugins
“It's so cool and I've spent a few months randomly through the years building neat plugins for Ableton”
Comment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music” “trying to recreate things with Max so I can have a lot more control and really play with it”
Comment from 4 Jan 2026 in “Show HN: I used AI to recreate a $4000 piece of audio hardware as a plugin”
What people warn about
Each mark is one comment
Closed, proprietary software
“Max is proprietary so I can only use a tiny fraction of Mojo on Windows unfortunately.”
Comment from 17 Oct 2026 in “Show HN: Parin – A 2D game engine between raylib and Godot, written in Dlang” “Max, which is some closed stuff I'm not interested in”
Comment from 11 Aug 2026 in “Mojo 1.0 Is Here”
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See all 4 visual programming environments, rankedWhat people said
36 of the 38 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.
“Max is proprietary so I can only use a tiny fraction of Mojo on Windows unfortunately.”
“thus destroying the incredible name value of HBO”
“If you plug into Max (not Mojo), you get most of the software stack for free”
“complex and not even fully open source”
“Max, which is some closed stuff I'm not interested in”
“releasing an obviously backdoored app like Max”
“backdoored government-approved Max messenger”
“push notifications have stopped working, even if app remains on device, calls no longer going through”
“If you want to schedule tasks in Max accurately with code, you can either use Max, C extensions, or my extension.”
“it's obviously not intended for realtime 'live coding'”
“much like any other good IDE”
“Max goes a lot deeper than wiring some GUI boxes together.”
“when I bothered to learn it was one of the most rewarding uses of time and I find it really quite fun to work in”
“There’s not enough info exposed via the Python or Max APIs (or indeed this one) to sync all the state you’d care about”
“I find the GUI approach so tedious”
“In Max, you have to build everything from scratch, every time.”
“you need to use some Mojo Max library to have fast optimized LLM kernels”
“in that state-enforced Max messenger there so much surveillance you can only praise the authorities and pray in there”
“By contrast, here is the reference for MAX”
“Makh is from some commercial group that does not care about our values.”
“Claude + Max was 1 `max search hubspot --filter` command piped to sort | uniq -c”
“Which is freaking awesome, because I can script all of Max from my vim buffers.”
“HBO's was bad, but it's just the fourth place streaming service in its primary market”
“I still put "Max" as the second worst (after "X").”
“trying to recreate things with Max so I can have a lot more control and really play with it”
“Max is basically a programming language already: message passing, scheduling, state, abstraction, even metaprogramming”
“until someone walked me through how it really worked”
“It's a bit unwielding in its handling of multi-JS-file projects, but it can be done.”
“I appreciate Max/Pure Sound but would rather use my text editor.”
“It's so cool and I've spent a few months randomly through the years building neat plugins for Ableton”
“shockingly capable as an actual programming language too”
“The branding debacle around HBO streaming service was malpractice”
“I find Max is like a better quality version of Netflix. But after a while I have the same problem there too.”
“use the app tied to your passport and gosuslugi to make sure they know who is the genius”
“let authorities publish their spyware (Max messenger)”
“in Russia people are now being forced to use the state-developed MAX”
Counts come from 1,795,640 Hacker News comments, November 2025 to November 2026. How we count. Report a mistake.