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Max by Cycling '74

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Fun, deep visual programming environment for music and audio that works like a real programming language. Critics note it is closed and not built for live coding.

Fun, deep visual programming environment for music and audio that works like a real programming language. Critics note it is closed and not built for live coding.

33 people gave an opinion

recommend it
15
criticize it
18
approval share
45%
Each figure is one person. RecommendsCriticizes

Recommended in 8 of 13 months

  1. November 2025: recommended
  2. December 2025: recommended
  3. January 2026: recommended
  4. February 2026: recommended
  5. March 2026: recommended
  6. April 2026: recommended
  7. May 2026: not recommended
  8. June 2026: recommended
  9. July 2026: not recommended
  10. August 2026: recommended
  11. September 2026: not recommended
  12. October 2026: not recommended
  13. November 2026: not recommended (month in progress)

Why it doesn’t carry the badge

  • 15 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, met.
  • 0.8 recommenders for every criticNeeds 2 to 1 or better, not met.
  • Recommended in 8 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, met.

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What people say about it

The reasons people give, with the number of comments that give each one. Open a reason to read what they said.

Why people recommend it

Each mark is one comment

  • Works as a real programming language

    “Max is basically a programming language already: message passing, scheduling, state, abstraction, even metaprogramming”

    Comment from 23 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”

    “Max goes a lot deeper than wiring some GUI boxes together.”

    Comment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

    “shockingly capable as an actual programming language too”

    Comment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”
  • Scriptable from external editors and code

    “If you want to schedule tasks in Max accurately with code, you can either use Max, C extensions, or my extension.”

    Comment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

    “Claude + Max was 1 `max search hubspot --filter` command piped to sort | uniq -c”

    Comment from 6 Mar 2026 in “Show HN: Max – a federated data query layer for AI agents (and humans)”

    “Which is freaking awesome, because I can script all of Max from my vim buffers.”

    Comment from 5 Feb 2026 in “Why S7 Scheme?”
  • Rewarding and fun to learn

    “when I bothered to learn it was one of the most rewarding uses of time and I find it really quite fun to work in”

    Comment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

    “until someone walked me through how it really worked”

    Comment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”
  • Lets you build custom plugins

    “It's so cool and I've spent a few months randomly through the years building neat plugins for Ableton”

    Comment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”

    “trying to recreate things with Max so I can have a lot more control and really play with it”

    Comment from 4 Jan 2026 in “Show HN: I used AI to recreate a $4000 piece of audio hardware as a plugin”

What people warn about

Each mark is one comment

  • Closed, proprietary software

    “Max is proprietary so I can only use a tiny fraction of Mojo on Windows unfortunately.”

    Comment from 17 Oct 2026 in “Show HN: Parin – A 2D game engine between raylib and Godot, written in Dlang”

    “Max, which is some closed stuff I'm not interested in”

    Comment from 11 Aug 2026 in “Mojo 1.0 Is Here”

Other visual programming environments people recommend

The three most recommended other visual programming environments, with the same counts for each, so you can compare like for like. The tick on each bar marks the 2 to 1 line the badge needs.

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What people said

36 of the 38 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.

“Max is proprietary so I can only use a tiny fraction of Mojo on Windows unfortunately.”

CriticizesComment from 17 Oct 2026 in “Show HN: Parin – A 2D game engine between raylib and Godot, written in Dlang”

“thus destroying the incredible name value of HBO”

CriticizesComment from 6 Oct 2026 in “Paramount Skydance has completed its $111B merger with Warner Bros. Discovery”

“If you plug into Max (not Mojo), you get most of the software stack for free”

RecommendsComment from 20 Aug 2026 in “Mojo is now open source!”

“complex and not even fully open source”

CriticizesComment from 16 Aug 2026 in “Chestnut – eGPU dock with open-source firmware”

“Max, which is some closed stuff I'm not interested in”

CriticizesComment from 11 Aug 2026 in “Mojo 1.0 Is Here”

“releasing an obviously backdoored app like Max”

CriticizesComment from 15 Jul 2026 in “Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers”

“backdoored government-approved Max messenger”

CriticizesComment from 7 Jul 2026 in “All Cars Sold in the EU Now Require a Camera Aimed at Your Face”

“push notifications have stopped working, even if app remains on device, calls no longer going through”

CriticizesComment from 5 Jun 2026 in “Tell HN: Max messenger app removed from App Store”

“If you want to schedule tasks in Max accurately with code, you can either use Max, C extensions, or my extension.”

RecommendsComment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

“it's obviously not intended for realtime 'live coding'”

MixedComment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

“much like any other good IDE”

RecommendsComment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

“Max goes a lot deeper than wiring some GUI boxes together.”

RecommendsComment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

“when I bothered to learn it was one of the most rewarding uses of time and I find it really quite fun to work in”

MixedComment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

“There’s not enough info exposed via the Python or Max APIs (or indeed this one) to sync all the state you’d care about”

CriticizesComment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

“I find the GUI approach so tedious”

CriticizesComment from 4 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

“In Max, you have to build everything from scratch, every time.”

CriticizesComment from 3 Jun 2026 in “Ableton Extensions SDK”

“you need to use some Mojo Max library to have fast optimized LLM kernels”

CriticizesComment from 8 May 2026 in “Mojo 1.0 Beta”

“in that state-enforced Max messenger there so much surveillance you can only praise the authorities and pray in there”

CriticizesComment from 3 Apr 2026 in “A Recipe for Steganogravy”

“By contrast, here is the reference for MAX”

RecommendsComment from 2 Apr 2026 in “Google releases Gemma 4 open models”

“Makh is from some commercial group that does not care about our values.”

CriticizesComment from 11 Mar 2026 in “Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year”

“Claude + Max was 1 `max search hubspot --filter` command piped to sort | uniq -c”

RecommendsComment from 6 Mar 2026 in “Show HN: Max – a federated data query layer for AI agents (and humans)”

“Which is freaking awesome, because I can script all of Max from my vim buffers.”

RecommendsComment from 5 Feb 2026 in “Why S7 Scheme?”

“HBO's was bad, but it's just the fourth place streaming service in its primary market”

CriticizesComment from 5 Jan 2026 in “Microsoft Office renamed to "Microsoft 365 Copilot app"”

“I still put "Max" as the second worst (after "X").”

CriticizesComment from 5 Jan 2026 in “Microsoft Office renamed to "Microsoft 365 Copilot app"”

“trying to recreate things with Max so I can have a lot more control and really play with it”

RecommendsComment from 4 Jan 2026 in “Show HN: I used AI to recreate a $4000 piece of audio hardware as a plugin”

“Max is basically a programming language already: message passing, scheduling, state, abstraction, even metaprogramming”

RecommendsComment from 23 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”

“until someone walked me through how it really worked”

RecommendsComment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”

“It's a bit unwielding in its handling of multi-JS-file projects, but it can be done.”

MixedComment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”

“I appreciate Max/Pure Sound but would rather use my text editor.”

RecommendsComment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”

“It's so cool and I've spent a few months randomly through the years building neat plugins for Ableton”

MixedComment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”

“shockingly capable as an actual programming language too”

RecommendsComment from 22 Dec 2025 in “Programming languages used for music”

“The branding debacle around HBO streaming service was malpractice”

CriticizesComment from 5 Dec 2025 in “Netflix to Acquire Warner Bros”

“I find Max is like a better quality version of Netflix. But after a while I have the same problem there too.”

MixedComment from 5 Dec 2025 in “Netflix to Acquire Warner Bros”

“use the app tied to your passport and gosuslugi to make sure they know who is the genius”

CriticizesComment from 4 Dec 2025 in “Russia Bans Roblox”

“let authorities publish their spyware (Max messenger)”

CriticizesComment from 2 Dec 2025 in “India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app”

“in Russia people are now being forced to use the state-developed MAX”

MixedComment from 13 Nov 2025 in “Seed. LINE's Custom Typeface”

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