Meta Llama
Ranked 11 of 39 open-weight language models by recommenders
Recommended as the model family that kicked off open-weight AI and still runs cheaply on local hardware, though critics say it has fallen behind and Llama 4 disappointed.
Recommended as the model family that kicked off open-weight AI and still runs cheaply on local hardware, though critics say it has fallen behind and Llama 4 disappointed.
295 people gave an opinion
- recommend it
- 139
- criticize it
- 156
- approval share
- 47%
Recommended in 12 of 13 months
- November 2025: recommended
- December 2025: recommended
- January 2026: recommended
- February 2026: recommended
- March 2026: recommended
- April 2026: recommended
- May 2026: recommended
- June 2026: recommended
- July 2026: recommended
- August 2026: recommended
- September 2026: recommended
- October 2026: recommended
- November 2026: not recommended (month in progress)
Why it doesn’t carry the badge
- 139 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, met.
- 0.8 recommenders for every criticNeeds 2 to 1 or better, not met.
- Recommended in 12 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, met.
The same three rules apply to every product, and the badge can’t be bought. How the badge works
What people say about it
The reasons people give, with the number of comments that give each one. Open a reason to read what they said.
Why people recommend it
Each mark is one comment
Pioneered open-weight models
“Llama was great for research and propelling the opensource community but they haven't been a serious competitor in a while.”
Comment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Nano Banana 2 Lite” “llama models pushed the envelope for a while, and having them "open-weight" allowed a lot of tinkering”
Comment from 10 Mar 2026 in “Yann LeCun's AI startup raises $1B in Europe's largest ever seed round” “Real boost to the OS/OW models movement, they have been leading it for a while after that.”
Comment from 31 Mar 2026 in “Claude Code's source code has been leaked via a map file in their NPM registry” - Comment from 2 Jul 2026 in “Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected”
- Comment from 8 Apr 2026 in “Muse Spark – Meta Superintelligence Labs”
- Comment from 20 Jul 2026 in “American AI is locked down and proprietary. It's losing”
- Comment from 10 Aug 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models”
- Comment from 9 Mar 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg strips power from Alexandr Wang”
Runs locally on modest hardware
“I run a quantized 70 billion parameter llama 3.1 model on my framework 13 inch laptop.”
Comment from 11 Nov 2025 in “How to Train an LLM: Part 1” “A local pipeline with Whisper and Llama 3 is viable now and solves the privacy issue.”
Comment from 23 Jan 2026 in “My first year in sales as technical founder” “at slow-ish (10-20 tok/sec at Q4?) but OK speeds on 12 year old DDR3 ECC Xeon machine”
Comment from 28 Aug 2026 in “GLM-5.3 is now open-weight” - Comment from 16 Nov 2025 in “AI is killing privacy. We can't let that happen”
- Comment from 11 May 2026 in “Local AI needs to be the norm”
Boosted research and tinkering
“Llama was great for research and propelling the opensource community but they haven't been a serious competitor in a while.”
Comment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Nano Banana 2 Lite” “llama models pushed the envelope for a while, and having them "open-weight" allowed a lot of tinkering”
Comment from 10 Mar 2026 in “Yann LeCun's AI startup raises $1B in Europe's largest ever seed round” “for the good they did releasing Torch, FastText vectors, and the LLaMa models among others for free”
Comment from 20 Oct 2026 in “Facebook Pages require paid subscription to post more than two links per month” - Comment from 10 Aug 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models”
- Comment from 23 Nov 2025 in “Meta buried 'causal' evidence of social media harm, US court filings allege”
Older small models remain useful
“Llama3.1 8B might be a little too old to be directly useful for e.g. coding but it certainly gets the gears turning”
Comment from 20 Feb 2026 in “The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)” “Llama 3.1 8B can do lots of things today and it'll still be able to do those things tomorrow.”
Comment from 22 Feb 2026 in “How Taalas "prints" LLM onto a chip?” “Llama 3.2 3B was least-bad at "notice a pattern without sounding like a fortune cookie."”
Comment from 24 Sep 2026 in “Show HN: Rebuilding my journaling app to run on-device” - Comment from 11 May 2026 in “Local AI needs to be the norm”
- Comment from 30 Jan 2026 in “Trinity Large: American Open Source Foundation Model”
What people warn about
Each mark is one comment
Fallen behind competing models
“Llama was great for research and propelling the opensource community but they haven't been a serious competitor in a while.”
Comment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Nano Banana 2 Lite” “Meta went from being widely respected and considered a peer with leading frontier labs to having no competitive technology.”
Comment from 6 Jul 2026 in “Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected” “these models are just so ahead of things like Qwen and Llama for the types of semi-complex non-coding tasks”
Comment from 4 Nov 2025 in “AI's Dial-Up Era” - Comment from 19 Aug 2026 in “Cerebras CS4”
Llama 4 was a letdown
“Concentrating on LMAreana cost Meta many hundreds of billions of dollar and lots of people their jobs with the Lllama4 disaster.”
Comment from 3 Apr 2026 in “Google releases Gemma 4 open models” “The Llama 4 models were instruct models at a time when everyone was hyped about and expecting reasoning models.”
Comment from 2 Jan 2026 in “Dell's version of the DGX Spark fixes pain points” “despite its poor performance and reception, some of the things they achieved technically were solid”
Comment from 28 Jan 2026 in “Trinity Large: American Open Source Foundation Model” License isn't truly open source
“It's source-available, but still proprietary, under terms that (among other things) say "no competing with us, you have to buy a license for that".”
Comment from 10 Aug 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models” “llama is not open source. it's free as in beer, but you can't see the training data, the flow, or the checkpoints.”
Comment from 3 Jul 2026 in “Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected” Trained on scraped data without consent
“they were trained using data scraped at an industrial scale, contributing to degradation of the Web for humans”
Comment from 4 Nov 2025 in “Backpropagation is a leaky abstraction (2016)” “They are, and as such they monetise the work of original authors without their consent, compensation”
Comment from 5 Nov 2025 in “Backpropagation is a leaky abstraction (2016)”
Other open-weight language models people recommend
The four most recommended other open-weight language models, with the same counts for each, so you can compare like for like. The tick on each bar marks the 2 to 1 line the badge needs.
| Product | Recommend | Criticize | Approval | Months | Owned | Badge |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Qwen 3.8 27B | 1,173 | 426 | 73% | 13 | 2 mo32 owners | Approved |
| Z.ai GLM | 1,043 | 384 | 73% | 13 | 2 mo52 owners | Approved |
| Kimi | 931 | 359 | 72% | 13 | 1 mo26 owners | Approved |
| Gemma 4 | 713 | 249 | 74% | 13 | 1 mo14 owners | Approved |
| Meta LlamaThis page | 139 | 156 | 47% | 12 | — | — |
What people said
40 of the 338 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.
“for the good they did releasing Torch, FastText vectors, and the LLaMa models among others for free”
“Llama 3.2 3B was least-bad at "notice a pattern without sounding like a fortune cookie."”
“at slow-ish (10-20 tok/sec at Q4?) but OK speeds on 12 year old DDR3 ECC Xeon machine”
“Gemma 4 (April), Llama (April), and gpt-oss (August 2025) are up to date, but old (for models).”
“It's source-available, but still proprietary, under terms that (among other things) say "no competing with us, you have to buy a license for that".”
“kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama”
“Meta initiated both pytorch and llama which have had profoundly positive effects on AI research”
“To me, Llama was the ONLY successful thing they did it. it was when they stopped that they fell off the radar as an interesting AI company.”
“Llama was revolutionary for sticking the landing without being entirely lobotomized”
“Meta went from being widely respected and considered a peer with leading frontier labs to having no competitive technology.”
“llama is not open source. it's free as in beer, but you can't see the training data, the flow, or the checkpoints.”
“Llama was one of the greatest things and gave me real hope for an open source AI future”
“Llama was great for research and propelling the opensource community but they haven't been a serious competitor in a while.”
“even "old" models like llama 3.2, gemma 2, qwen 2.5, are good, fast and low-memory”
“I don't know what to credit Meta for in the AI era except some of the LLAMA tooling and some open weights LLMs.”
“it really felt like Meta had the lead in LLMs, especially during the early LLaMa days”
“I don’t get how LLaMa 4 was such a big train wreck”
“Concentrating on LMAreana cost Meta many hundreds of billions of dollar and lots of people their jobs with the Lllama4 disaster.”
“Meta's guardrails lasted exactly one week before the community figured out weight abliteration”
“Real boost to the OS/OW models movement, they have been leading it for a while after that.”
“Even if we just ignore Llama, Meta invented and released so many foundational research and open source code.”
“llama models pushed the envelope for a while, and having them "open-weight" allowed a lot of tinkering”
“It was the first notable open weights model, and paved the way for all the others.”
“this model successfully created functional, separate replicas of itself in 50% of experimental trials”
“Llama 3.1 8B can do lots of things today and it'll still be able to do those things tomorrow.”
“Llama3.1 8B might be a little too old to be directly useful for e.g. coding but it certainly gets the gears turning”
“LLMs that we know as "math" models, significantly outperformed LLMs that we know as "abstract reasoning" models”
“forgive Zuckerberg for a lot of of the stuff he did based on what did with llama by 'releasing' it”
“Worked surprisingly well and I didn't get any sycophancy or cliched AI responses.”
“despite its poor performance and reception, some of the things they achieved technically were solid”
“A local pipeline with Whisper and Llama 3 is viable now and solves the privacy issue.”
“I started using Meta-LLama-3-8B in april 2024 with Python and Transformers for each text chunk”
“deep, high-quality inference can be surprisingly cheap and predictable if you design for it intentionally”
“The Llama 4 models were instruct models at a time when everyone was hyped about and expecting reasoning models.”
“quality research for free for years like PyTorch, FastText vectors, and the LLaMa models”
“Llama, Stable Diffusion, and Wan Video are a glimpse of what's to come with local AI.”
“I run a quantized 70 billion parameter llama 3.1 model on my framework 13 inch laptop.”
“They are, and as such they monetise the work of original authors without their consent, compensation”
“these models are just so ahead of things like Qwen and Llama for the types of semi-complex non-coding tasks”
“they were trained using data scraped at an industrial scale, contributing to degradation of the Web for humans”
Counts come from 1,795,640 Hacker News comments, November 2025 to November 2026. How we count. Report a mistake.