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Meta Llama

Ranked 11 of 39 open-weight language models by recommenders

Recommended as the model family that kicked off open-weight AI and still runs cheaply on local hardware, though critics say it has fallen behind and Llama 4 disappointed.

Recommended as the model family that kicked off open-weight AI and still runs cheaply on local hardware, though critics say it has fallen behind and Llama 4 disappointed.

295 people gave an opinion

recommend it
139
criticize it
156
approval share
47%
Each figure is 2 people. RecommendsCriticizes

Recommended in 12 of 13 months

  1. November 2025: recommended
  2. December 2025: recommended
  3. January 2026: recommended
  4. February 2026: recommended
  5. March 2026: recommended
  6. April 2026: recommended
  7. May 2026: recommended
  8. June 2026: recommended
  9. July 2026: recommended
  10. August 2026: recommended
  11. September 2026: recommended
  12. October 2026: recommended
  13. November 2026: not recommended (month in progress)

Why it doesn’t carry the badge

  • 139 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, met.
  • 0.8 recommenders for every criticNeeds 2 to 1 or better, not met.
  • Recommended in 12 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, met.

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What people say about it

The reasons people give, with the number of comments that give each one. Open a reason to read what they said.

Why people recommend it

Each mark is one comment

  • Pioneered open-weight models

    “Llama was great for research and propelling the opensource community but they haven't been a serious competitor in a while.”

    Comment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Nano Banana 2 Lite”

    “llama models pushed the envelope for a while, and having them "open-weight" allowed a lot of tinkering”

    Comment from 10 Mar 2026 in “Yann LeCun's AI startup raises $1B in Europe's largest ever seed round”

    “Real boost to the OS/OW models movement, they have been leading it for a while after that.”

    Comment from 31 Mar 2026 in “Claude Code's source code has been leaked via a map file in their NPM registry”
  • Runs locally on modest hardware

    “I run a quantized 70 billion parameter llama 3.1 model on my framework 13 inch laptop.”

    Comment from 11 Nov 2025 in “How to Train an LLM: Part 1”

    “A local pipeline with Whisper and Llama 3 is viable now and solves the privacy issue.”

    Comment from 23 Jan 2026 in “My first year in sales as technical founder”

    “at slow-ish (10-20 tok/sec at Q4?) but OK speeds on 12 year old DDR3 ECC Xeon machine”

    Comment from 28 Aug 2026 in “GLM-5.3 is now open-weight”
  • Boosted research and tinkering

    “Llama was great for research and propelling the opensource community but they haven't been a serious competitor in a while.”

    Comment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Nano Banana 2 Lite”

    “llama models pushed the envelope for a while, and having them "open-weight" allowed a lot of tinkering”

    Comment from 10 Mar 2026 in “Yann LeCun's AI startup raises $1B in Europe's largest ever seed round”

    “for the good they did releasing Torch, FastText vectors, and the LLaMa models among others for free”

    Comment from 20 Oct 2026 in “Facebook Pages require paid subscription to post more than two links per month”
  • Older small models remain useful

    “Llama3.1 8B might be a little too old to be directly useful for e.g. coding but it certainly gets the gears turning”

    Comment from 20 Feb 2026 in “The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)”

    “Llama 3.1 8B can do lots of things today and it'll still be able to do those things tomorrow.”

    Comment from 22 Feb 2026 in “How Taalas "prints" LLM onto a chip?”

    “Llama 3.2 3B was least-bad at "notice a pattern without sounding like a fortune cookie."”

    Comment from 24 Sep 2026 in “Show HN: Rebuilding my journaling app to run on-device”

What people warn about

Each mark is one comment

  • Fallen behind competing models

    “Llama was great for research and propelling the opensource community but they haven't been a serious competitor in a while.”

    Comment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Nano Banana 2 Lite”

    “Meta went from being widely respected and considered a peer with leading frontier labs to having no competitive technology.”

    Comment from 6 Jul 2026 in “Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected”

    “these models are just so ahead of things like Qwen and Llama for the types of semi-complex non-coding tasks”

    Comment from 4 Nov 2025 in “AI's Dial-Up Era”
  • Llama 4 was a letdown

    “Concentrating on LMAreana cost Meta many hundreds of billions of dollar and lots of people their jobs with the Lllama4 disaster.”

    Comment from 3 Apr 2026 in “Google releases Gemma 4 open models”

    “The Llama 4 models were instruct models at a time when everyone was hyped about and expecting reasoning models.”

    Comment from 2 Jan 2026 in “Dell's version of the DGX Spark fixes pain points”

    “despite its poor performance and reception, some of the things they achieved technically were solid”

    Comment from 28 Jan 2026 in “Trinity Large: American Open Source Foundation Model”
  • License isn't truly open source

    “It's source-available, but still proprietary, under terms that (among other things) say "no competing with us, you have to buy a license for that".”

    Comment from 10 Aug 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models”

    “llama is not open source. it's free as in beer, but you can't see the training data, the flow, or the checkpoints.”

    Comment from 3 Jul 2026 in “Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected”
  • Trained on scraped data without consent

    “they were trained using data scraped at an industrial scale, contributing to degradation of the Web for humans”

    Comment from 4 Nov 2025 in “Backpropagation is a leaky abstraction (2016)”

    “They are, and as such they monetise the work of original authors without their consent, compensation”

    Comment from 5 Nov 2025 in “Backpropagation is a leaky abstraction (2016)”

Other open-weight language models people recommend

The four most recommended other open-weight language models, with the same counts for each, so you can compare like for like. The tick on each bar marks the 2 to 1 line the badge needs.

Meta Llama compared with 4 alternatives
ProductRecommendCriticizeApprovalMonthsOwnedBadge
Qwen 3.8 27B1,17342673%132 mo32 ownersApproved
Z.ai GLM1,04338473%132 mo52 ownersApproved
Kimi93135972%131 mo26 ownersApproved
Gemma 471324974%131 mo14 ownersApproved
Meta LlamaThis page13915647%12——
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What people said

40 of the 338 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.

“for the good they did releasing Torch, FastText vectors, and the LLaMa models among others for free”

RecommendsComment from 20 Oct 2026 in “Facebook Pages require paid subscription to post more than two links per month”

“Llama 3.2 3B was least-bad at "notice a pattern without sounding like a fortune cookie."”

MixedComment from 24 Sep 2026 in “Show HN: Rebuilding my journaling app to run on-device”

“at slow-ish (10-20 tok/sec at Q4?) but OK speeds on 12 year old DDR3 ECC Xeon machine”

MixedComment from 28 Aug 2026 in “GLM-5.3 is now open-weight”

“Gemma 4 (April), Llama (April), and gpt-oss (August 2025) are up to date, but old (for models).”

MixedComment from 19 Aug 2026 in “Cerebras CS4”

“It's source-available, but still proprietary, under terms that (among other things) say "no competing with us, you have to buy a license for that".”

CriticizesComment from 10 Aug 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models”

“kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama”

RecommendsComment from 10 Aug 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models”

“Meta initiated both pytorch and llama which have had profoundly positive effects on AI research”

RecommendsComment from 10 Aug 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models”

“To me, Llama was the ONLY successful thing they did it. it was when they stopped that they fell off the radar as an interesting AI company.”

MixedComment from 20 Jul 2026 in “American AI is locked down and proprietary. It's losing”

“Llama was revolutionary for sticking the landing without being entirely lobotomized”

RecommendsComment from 20 Jul 2026 in “American AI is locked down and proprietary. It's losing”

“Meta went from being widely respected and considered a peer with leading frontier labs to having no competitive technology.”

CriticizesComment from 6 Jul 2026 in “Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected”

“llama is not open source. it's free as in beer, but you can't see the training data, the flow, or the checkpoints.”

CriticizesComment from 3 Jul 2026 in “Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected”

“Llama was one of the greatest things and gave me real hope for an open source AI future”

RecommendsComment from 2 Jul 2026 in “Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected”

“Llama was great for research and propelling the opensource community but they haven't been a serious competitor in a while.”

MixedComment from 30 Jun 2026 in “Nano Banana 2 Lite”

“even "old" models like llama 3.2, gemma 2, qwen 2.5, are good, fast and low-memory”

RecommendsComment from 11 May 2026 in “Local AI needs to be the norm”

“I don't know what to credit Meta for in the AI era except some of the LLAMA tooling and some open weights LLMs.”

RecommendsComment from 9 May 2026 in “Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging”

“it really felt like Meta had the lead in LLMs, especially during the early LLaMa days”

RecommendsComment from 8 Apr 2026 in “Muse Spark – Meta Superintelligence Labs”

“I don’t get how LLaMa 4 was such a big train wreck”

CriticizesComment from 8 Apr 2026 in “Muse Spark – Meta Superintelligence Labs”

“Concentrating on LMAreana cost Meta many hundreds of billions of dollar and lots of people their jobs with the Lllama4 disaster.”

CriticizesComment from 3 Apr 2026 in “Google releases Gemma 4 open models”

“Meta's guardrails lasted exactly one week before the community figured out weight abliteration”

MixedComment from 2 Apr 2026 in “I tried to prove I'm not AI. My aunt wasn't convinced”

“Real boost to the OS/OW models movement, they have been leading it for a while after that.”

MixedComment from 31 Mar 2026 in “Claude Code's source code has been leaked via a map file in their NPM registry”

“Even if we just ignore Llama, Meta invented and released so many foundational research and open source code.”

MixedComment from 10 Mar 2026 in “Yann LeCun's AI startup raises $1B in Europe's largest ever seed round”

“llama models pushed the envelope for a while, and having them "open-weight" allowed a lot of tinkering”

RecommendsComment from 10 Mar 2026 in “Yann LeCun's AI startup raises $1B in Europe's largest ever seed round”

“It was the first notable open weights model, and paved the way for all the others.”

RecommendsComment from 9 Mar 2026 in “Mark Zuckerberg strips power from Alexandr Wang”

“this model successfully created functional, separate replicas of itself in 50% of experimental trials”

MixedComment from 9 Mar 2026 in “Artificial-life: A simple (300 lines of code) reproduction of Computational Life”

“Llama 3.1 8B can do lots of things today and it'll still be able to do those things tomorrow.”

RecommendsComment from 22 Feb 2026 in “How Taalas "prints" LLM onto a chip?”

“Llama3.1 8B might be a little too old to be directly useful for e.g. coding but it certainly gets the gears turning”

MixedComment from 20 Feb 2026 in “The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)”

“LLMs that we know as "math" models, significantly outperformed LLMs that we know as "abstract reasoning" models”

RecommendsComment from 18 Feb 2026 in “How LLMs Express JavaScript (experiment, results inside)”

“forgive Zuckerberg for a lot of of the stuff he did based on what did with llama by 'releasing' it”

RecommendsComment from 14 Feb 2026 in “OpenAI has deleted the word 'safely' from its mission”

“Worked surprisingly well and I didn't get any sycophancy or cliched AI responses.”

RecommendsComment from 30 Jan 2026 in “Trinity Large: American Open Source Foundation Model”

“despite its poor performance and reception, some of the things they achieved technically were solid”

MixedComment from 28 Jan 2026 in “Trinity Large: American Open Source Foundation Model”

“A local pipeline with Whisper and Llama 3 is viable now and solves the privacy issue.”

RecommendsComment from 23 Jan 2026 in “My first year in sales as technical founder”

“I started using Meta-LLama-3-8B in april 2024 with Python and Transformers for each text chunk”

RecommendsComment from 15 Jan 2026 in “Ask HN: How are you doing RAG locally?”

“deep, high-quality inference can be surprisingly cheap and predictable if you design for it intentionally”

RecommendsComment from 9 Jan 2026 in “Running a real consumer app on a 70B LLM at sub-cent cost per scan”

“The Llama 4 models were instruct models at a time when everyone was hyped about and expecting reasoning models.”

MixedComment from 2 Jan 2026 in “Dell's version of the DGX Spark fixes pain points”

“quality research for free for years like PyTorch, FastText vectors, and the LLaMa models”

RecommendsComment from 23 Nov 2025 in “Meta buried 'causal' evidence of social media harm, US court filings allege”

“Llama, Stable Diffusion, and Wan Video are a glimpse of what's to come with local AI.”

RecommendsComment from 16 Nov 2025 in “AI is killing privacy. We can't let that happen”

“I run a quantized 70 billion parameter llama 3.1 model on my framework 13 inch laptop.”

RecommendsComment from 11 Nov 2025 in “How to Train an LLM: Part 1”

“They are, and as such they monetise the work of original authors without their consent, compensation”

CriticizesComment from 5 Nov 2025 in “Backpropagation is a leaky abstraction (2016)”

“these models are just so ahead of things like Qwen and Llama for the types of semi-complex non-coding tasks”

CriticizesComment from 4 Nov 2025 in “AI's Dial-Up Era”

“they were trained using data scraped at an industrial scale, contributing to degradation of the Web for humans”

CriticizesComment from 4 Nov 2025 in “Backpropagation is a leaky abstraction (2016)”

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