IBM Granite
Hacker ApprovedShares rank 19 of 39 open-weight language models by recommenders
Small open-weight models from IBM that people run locally, praised for speed, efficiency and strong results for their size. Critics say they trail rival models on benchmarks and lack reasoning training.
Small open-weight models from IBM that people run locally, praised for speed, efficiency and strong results for their size. Critics say they trail rival models on benchmarks and lack reasoning training.
55 people gave an opinion
- recommend it
- 37
- criticize it
- 18
- approval share
- 67%
Recommended in 11 of 13 months
- November 2025: recommended
- December 2025: recommended
- January 2026: recommended
- February 2026: recommended
- March 2026: not recommended
- April 2026: recommended
- May 2026: recommended
- June 2026: recommended
- July 2026: recommended
- August 2026: recommended
- September 2026: recommended
- October 2026: recommended
- November 2026: not recommended (month in progress)
Owned for 1 month
Median of the 3 owners who said how long they have had it.
Each square is one year.
Why it carries the badge
- 37 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, met.
- 2.1 recommenders for every criticNeeds 2 to 1 or better, met.
- Recommended in 11 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, met.
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What people say about it
The reasons people give, with the number of comments that give each one. Open a reason to read what they said.
Why people recommend it
Each mark is one comment
Fast and efficient on local hardware
“This makes then very token efficient and particularly well suited for local inference”
Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE” “I found these to be a great balance of speed and consistency on local hardware”
Comment from 1 Jan 2026 in “Show HN: A local-first financial auditor using IBM Granite, MCP, and SQLite” “The 4b they released was not good for my needs”
Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE” - Comment from 27 Jun 2026 in “Ask HN: MacBook vs. Dedicated GPU for LLM”
- Comment from 17 Feb 2026 in “Show HN: Price Per Ball – Site that sorts golf balls on Amazon by price per ball”
Capable for its small size
“genuinely not bad for a tiny 3B model - it can at least output valid SVG”
Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE” “a Granite model at nearly half the size has no problems”
Comment from 14 Nov 2025 in “VibeThinker-1.5B” “super good small parameter lineup for local tasks”
Comment from 29 Oct 2026 in “We're releasing the weights of Mistral Large 4” - Comment from 1 Nov 2025 on Hacker News
- Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE”
Useful for agentic and tool-calling work
“I've found them to be quite capable in content retrieval and long-running workflows”
Comment from 26 Oct 2026 in “IBM CEO says open weight models are now good and cheap on-prem” “For coding I use qwen3.6:35b-mlx and agentic granite4.1:3b works fine.”
Comment from 17 Jun 2026 in “Running local models is good now” “granite4.2 is optimised for agentic work and only needs 5GB of memory.”
Comment from 26 Aug 2026 in “New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro” - Comment from 16 Jun 2026 in “Running local models is good now”
- Comment from 2 Sep 2026 in “My local model setup on an M4 Pro Mac Mini”
What people warn about
Each mark is one comment
Trails rival models on benchmarks
“qwen3.5 9b outperforms granite 4.1 30b by a huge amount (32 vs 15 on artificialanalysis benchmark)”
Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE” “The Granite models have always been at least one year behind in terms of capabilities.”
Comment from 2 May 2026 in “IBM Granite 4.1 family of models” “Their granite series appears to be nowhere close to competitive.”
Comment from 17 Jun 2026 in “GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis” - Comment from 3 Dec 2025 in “IBM CEO says there is 'no way' spending on AI data centers will pay off”
- Comment from 1 May 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE”
- Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE”
Lacks reasoning training
“It's strange that they don't include reasoning training (RLVR).”
Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE” “it didn't support reasoning which limited its performance”
Comment from 29 Jul 2026 in “Show HN: Open-source engine running Gemma 4 26B in 2 GB RAM on any M-series Mac” Poor output on some tasks
“failed completely because it was just writing non-descriptive massages”
Comment from 2 Jun 2026 in “Social Intelligence Benchmark” “i just got Granite4.1 tell me about YOLO repeatedly for no reasons”
Comment from 3 May 2026 in “The IBM Granite 4.1 family of models” “Its hopeless for basic task like parsing/generating headers”
Comment from 1 May 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE” - Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE”
Clinical, wordy tone
“Quick vibe check of it- 8B @ Q6 - seems promising. Bit of a clinical tone”
Comment from 30 Apr 2026 in “Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE” “Reams and reams of corporatese about why it wasn’t wrong when it was.”
Comment from 26 Oct 2026 in “IBM CEO says open weight models are now good and cheap on-prem”
Other open-weight language models people recommend
The four most recommended other open-weight language models, with the same counts for each, so you can compare like for like. The tick on each bar marks the 2 to 1 line the badge needs.
| Product | Recommend | Criticize | Approval | Months | Owned | Badge |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Qwen 3.8 27B | 1,173 | 426 | 73% | 13 | 2 mo32 owners | Approved |
| Z.ai GLM | 1,043 | 384 | 73% | 13 | 2 mo52 owners | Approved |
| Kimi | 931 | 359 | 72% | 13 | 1 mo26 owners | Approved |
| Gemma 4 | 713 | 249 | 74% | 13 | 1 mo14 owners | Approved |
| IBM GraniteThis page | 37 | 18 | 67% | 11 | 1 mo3 owners | Approved |
What people said
40 of the 69 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.
“super good small parameter lineup for local tasks”
“I use granite and qwen together with a manually curated set of books, articles, etc.”
“Reams and reams of corporatese about why it wasn’t wrong when it was.”
“I've found them to be quite capable in content retrieval and long-running workflows”
“are optimized to handle agentic workflows”
“granite4.2 is optimised for agentic work and only needs 5GB of memory.”
“IBM Granite series are also unique and interesting for trying to reduce liability and extend local context size.”
“it didn't support reasoning which limited its performance”
“insanely fast and results are good vs much bigger models”
“Their granite series appears to be nowhere close to competitive.”
“For coding I use qwen3.6:35b-mlx and agentic granite4.1:3b works fine.”
“Results are pretty good and support tool calling.”
“Granite has much of the training pipeline and data open, but is missing some of each.”
“If current Granite models had been released 4 years ago, they would have been astonishing breakthroughs at the time.”
“Granite was the most surprising I learned about recently, wasn't too good with Zed though.”
“failed completely because it was just writing non-descriptive massages”
“i just got Granite4.1 tell me about YOLO repeatedly for no reasons”
“The Granite models have always been at least one year behind in terms of capabilities.”
“Probably worse than Gemma 4 or Qwen 3.6 with thinking off.”
“Its hopeless for basic task like parsing/generating headers”
“the performance claim of 8b dense matching 32b moe is somewhat questionable”
“genuinely not bad for a tiny 3B model - it can at least output valid SVG”
“compared to other model families, Granite 4.1 8B sucks”
“This makes then very token efficient and particularly well suited for local inference”
“It's strange that they don't include reasoning training (RLVR).”
“Very impressive series of SLM by IBM here.”
“qwen3.5 9b outperforms granite 4.1 30b by a huge amount (32 vs 15 on artificialanalysis benchmark)”
“That this 8B model is decent is impressive, but that it could perform on par with a good model 4 times as large is a daydream.”
“Quick vibe check of it- 8B @ Q6 - seems promising. Bit of a clinical tone”
“It's pretty impressive at 8b. Runs on commodity hardware quickly.”
“The 4b they released was not good for my needs”
“3.3 8b did as well, both run on my macbook”
“granite 4.0 micro works fine for me”
“I found these to be a great balance of speed and consistency on local hardware”
“Granite 4 based models are even smaller, just a couple of gigabytes and are capable of automation tasks, summarization, translation, research”
“It wasn't very promising when it came to benchmarks though”
“there the success rate was higher (1/50 refusals with 0.02 divergence)”
“a Granite model at nearly half the size has no problems”
“a 1B Granite nano model has only little problems (word count) with such tasks”
“small ibm granite worked surpassingly well”
Counts come from 1,795,640 Hacker News comments, November 2025 to November 2026. How we count. Report a mistake.