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The Collapse of Complex Societies

The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter

by Joseph A. Tainter

Shares rank 91 of 152 nonfiction books by recommenders

Recommended as a serious, non-conspiratorial study of why complex societies collapse, and as a read for anyone interested in societal collapse.

Recommended as a serious, non-conspiratorial study of why complex societies collapse, and as a read for anyone interested in societal collapse.

3 people gave an opinion

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3
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0
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Recommended in 3 of 13 months

  1. November 2025: recommended
  2. December 2025: not recommended
  3. January 2026: not recommended
  4. February 2026: recommended
  5. March 2026: not recommended
  6. April 2026: not recommended
  7. May 2026: not recommended
  8. June 2026: not recommended
  9. July 2026: not recommended
  10. August 2026: recommended
  11. September 2026: not recommended
  12. October 2026: not recommended
  13. November 2026: not recommended (month in progress)

Why it doesn’t carry the badge

  • 3 people recommend itNeeds 10 or more, not met.
  • Nobody criticizes itNeeds 2 to 1 or better, met.
  • Recommended in 3 of 13 monthsNeeds 4 or more, not met.

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What people say about it

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Why people recommend it

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  • Serious research on societal collapse

    “Everyone should read or at least be familiar with Joseph Tainter and his research on societal collapse.”

    Comment from 21 Nov 2025 in “Over-regulation is doubling the cost”
  • Not conspiratorial or pessimistic

    “It's not a conspiratorial or even outright pessimistic theory.”

    Comment from 1 Aug 2026 in “Charlie Stross – On the non-use of AI in my writing process”
  • Recommended to readers with similar interests

    “it seems like Joseph Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies (1988) might also be interesting for the same readers.”

    Comment from 25 Feb 2026 in “OpenAI, the US government and Persona built an identity surveillance machine”

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The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter compared with 4 alternatives
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What people said

All 3 comments that mention it, newest first. Each links to the original comment.

“It's not a conspiratorial or even outright pessimistic theory.”

RecommendsComment from 1 Aug 2026 in “Charlie Stross – On the non-use of AI in my writing process”

“it seems like Joseph Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies (1988) might also be interesting for the same readers.”

RecommendsComment from 25 Feb 2026 in “OpenAI, the US government and Persona built an identity surveillance machine”

“Everyone should read or at least be familiar with Joseph Tainter and his research on societal collapse.”

RecommendsComment from 21 Nov 2025 in “Over-regulation is doubling the cost”

Counts come from 1,795,640 Hacker News comments, November 2025 to November 2026. How we count. Report a mistake.