Apple Private Cloud Compute

“Private Cloud Compute goes to great lengths to prove it can't violate your privacy.”

“they have put a gargantuan amount of work into PCC to uphold the claims they make about its privacy”

“Of course, at that point it depends on how much you trust their PCC.”

“Apple has some impressive privacy technology for Apple Intelligence - including significant open source disclosure for public verification.”

“PCC is quite good, about as close to private remote compute we can get without doing HME.”

“the root of trust stays inside Apple's Private Cloud Compute”

“I have real respect for Apple's "Private Cloud Compute" architecture”

“they are the only one that appears to give a crap about privacy at all”

“Just the stated guarantees are impressive”

“it's a well-thought-out system under those constraints”

“I have absolutely 0 reasons to believe Apple Private Cloud is not a data extraction mechanism for the gullible.”

“The speed with which Apple Intelligence worked back when it actually used Apple's own PCC and not Google's cloud was still much higher than could be achieved with anything they sold to customers.”

“Apple has definitely gone the furthest in terms of verifiably ensuring that requests and responses are not misusable by Apple”

“given Apple's surprising relative openness for how they implement their privacy products”

“full confidentiality is guaranteed that even Apple itself is not able to access user data”

“It's state of the art private compute according to actual experts”

“It's a form of theater, you have to be hand-selected to perform the audit that Apple promised.”

“Apparently their "Verifiable Transparency" claim just means Apple invited unnamed outside security experts and independent researchers”

“Apple PCC has been independently audited to be ultra secure.”

“Apple PCC is using completely mad and paranoid amounts of security down to hardware and firmware level”

“That seems to conflict with the recent security blog that says they are using Google Cloud infra and NVIDIA GPUs with PCC now”

“Personally I think their approach is fascinating.”

“They do this by allowing you to download all of the components”

“the point of PCC is so you know somebody isn't snooping on your information when you send it to the servers”

“That page objectively proves that Apple can't be trusted and breaks their promises.”

“the PCC root keys are still signed by Apple which requires you to trust Apple”

“Yes, the "Apple needs to look at your data to do this, but we don't have any way to look at the data if we wanted to"”

“Verifiable privacy promise”

“They invested a ton in their Private Cloud Compute though, but are barely using their capacity.”

“The fact that their phone security was poor enough for someone to get killed and thousands of others exposed”

“which is actually pretty cool since it lets you use Somebody Else's Computer with some assurance that they aren't spying on you”

“I just think it is useful that Apple is trying something along those lines”

“PCC seemed like the only viable option for a pro-AI, yet pro-privacy person such as myself”

“we need to move toward assurances of privacy (eg. verifiable Private Cloud Compute model)”

“We even seemingly have to trust them that this magic hardware has the properties they claim it does.”

“they gave all the data to China for Chinese users”

“It works for Apple (well enough) because of the high trust we place in their own physical controls”

“Really nice release. Excited to see this out in the wild and hopeful more companies leverage this for better end user privacy.”

“That's nice... in theory. Like it could be cool, and useful... but like what would I actually run on it if I'm not a spammer?”

“the private cloud compute stuff of Apple is really interesting architecure wise”